Re: To have been or not to have been...
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:39 pm
Hello Greg,
Thanks for your response.
The Bible, OTOH, acknowledges this change by stating explicitly that humans resurrected to the heavens will have become "sharers in divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) They are no longer humans at that point.
So you tell me Greg, which of us is not using the standard definition of "man" below, other than for a "timing issue"?
"Christ also suffered...by being put to death in the flesh [MAN] but by being made alive in the spirit [NOT MAN]." (1 Peter 3:18)
Thanks for your response.
It is not simply "a timing issue"! You are saying that a person that exists right now with a completely different ontological nature (or state of existence) is still a man in "the simple standard meaning" of the term. Timing has nothing to do with it!! You have changed the meaning of the term itself, i.e. what it means to be a man. That you continue to say that I am the one "working hard to avoid the simple standard meaning of words, e.g. 'man' means 'man'" while you do that very thing yourself is all the more astonishing.Greg Logan wrote:That is simply a timing issue.
The Bible, OTOH, acknowledges this change by stating explicitly that humans resurrected to the heavens will have become "sharers in divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) They are no longer humans at that point.
Now here's the true "timing issue". I believe that the scriptures teach that Jesus originally existed in the heavens. He was not a man during this time. When he was sent into the world, God transferred his life so that he could be born into the human family via a miraculous birth. He was a man during this time. He was then resurrected with a divine nature to live again in the heavens. He was not a man during this time.Greg Logan wrote:because you believe a pre-incarnate divine being encased in human flesh is a man.
So you tell me Greg, which of us is not using the standard definition of "man" below, other than for a "timing issue"?
- MY VIEW:
1. Jesus is created and lives in the heavens - NOT MAN
2. Jesus is born to a woman and lives on the earth - MAN
3. Jesus is resurrected and lives in the heavens - NOT MAN
YOUR VIEW:
1. Jesus is born to a woman and lives on the earth - MAN
2. Jesus is resurrected and lives in the heavens - MAN
"Christ also suffered...by being put to death in the flesh [MAN] but by being made alive in the spirit [NOT MAN]." (1 Peter 3:18)