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by Greg Logan
Tue May 10, 2016 5:17 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: To have been or not to have been...
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Re: To have been or not to have been...

So he's not like the Christians that are promised to "become partakers of the divine nature"? (2 Peter 1:4) Will those Christians still be human? Yes - of course... You are reading too much into "a divine nature". We are always human. Simply read the wrap up in Rev21... Kings will be there... ;) Th...
by Greg Logan
Tue May 10, 2016 4:55 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: To have been or not to have been...
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Re: To have been or not to have been...

Is Jesus in any way divine now? No. You're giving me precious little substance to work with, but I'm grateful for what you do give. I only gave you Jesus and God - what more do you want... ;) There is one God - the Father - and one mediator - the man Christ Jesus. One sentence... what more do you n...
by Greg Logan
Tue May 10, 2016 4:32 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: To have been or not to have been...
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Re: To have been or not to have been...

TJ Paul's inspired counsel was to "avoid doubtful disputations"... :) I am pretty sure we have gone FAR past these. Why? Because they are not leading to anything. They do not lead to agape out of a pure heart. Right? The truth is simple - ITim2:5. Period. Jesus was, is and ALWAYS will be a man. He i...
by Greg Logan
Tue May 10, 2016 4:06 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: To have been or not to have been...
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Views: 619819

Re: To have been or not to have been...

TJ I actually fully answered your first half. Just curious - what is your goal in pursuing these questions - why are you taking the time and life that God has given each of us to do so? 1. Given that you believe anyone can choose to not sin, how do you know that no one else throughout history has be...
by Greg Logan
Tue May 10, 2016 2:52 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: To have been or not to have been...
Replies: 89
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Re: To have been or not to have been...

Just to give you some feedback, these are 4 important questions that don't seem to have clear answers if I were to adopt your view of Jesus (they do make sense to me in my current view): 1. What was the purpose of Jesus' virgin birth? 2. How was Jesus able to be the only man throughout history that...
by Greg Logan
Tue May 10, 2016 2:49 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: To have been or not to have been...
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Re: To have been or not to have been...

-Literally NOT ONE MAN pre-existed.
-Jesus is a MAN.

Do you not see how someone could use the very same rationale you used in response to that?
No.

Men don't pre-exist. This is fundamentally ontological.

Men can not sin. This is behavioral.
by Greg Logan
Mon May 09, 2016 10:47 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: To have been or not to have been...
Replies: 89
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Re: To have been or not to have been...

OK - here is the post. -Literally NOT ONE MAN is righteous. (Rom 3:10) -Jesus is a MAN. Why wouldn't you find this argument persuasive? TJ - I addressed this earlier - "ALL" can have formal exceptions. "Formal" means formally stated (of course, we may not have a formal statement). An example of a fo...
by Greg Logan
Mon May 09, 2016 10:39 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: To have been or not to have been...
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Re: To have been or not to have been...

We were talking in reference to a virgin birth, or no human father. Does that mean Adam is a monogenes Son of God like Jesus? I do not recall scripture describing Adam in this manner (do you?). I do think a good study would be on the relevance/value of the monogenes - I have never done that other t...
by Greg Logan
Mon May 09, 2016 9:21 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: To have been or not to have been...
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Re: To have been or not to have been...

But how is Jesus different than Adam who also had no human father? (cf. Luke 3:38)
Ontologically he isn't - see ICor15:21, Heb2:11ff. BEHAVIORALLY He is different - He did not sin...

BTW - did my other post get through - I may have lost it it accidentally.
by Greg Logan
Mon May 09, 2016 8:10 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: To have been or not to have been...
Replies: 89
Views: 619819

Re: To have been or not to have been...

:D Fair enuf - I was being a bit dramatic for affect - I trust you understood/understand my main point. Human beings (you!) are AWESOME!! I do appreciate you noting my prior wording. What I mean is, if there is no inherited sin, it seems to me that Jesus' virgin birth loses all meaning and is just.....