Hi Greg, Thanks for your response. You are defining ontological reality differently than I am. Then could you please define "ontological reality" as you are using it? Is it not the state or nature of one's existence? How can you say that there is no ontological change from Jesus' earthly existence t...

Hi Greg, what I said is that at any given stage in a human's life we are what we are - the zygote stage, the earthly stage (which is what Jesus was - what you and I are), the heavenly stage (which is what Jesus is, what you and I will be). You're trying to sneak an ontological change in there. Throu...

Hi Greg, We know what a man is Actually that's the problem. You are saying that a man has the exact same ontological existence as you and I...except of course when he has a completely different ontological existence. You are refusing to address that glaring inconsistency and instead go back to your ...

Hi Greg, Are you willing to answer my questions? Where in the "standard meaning of man" is there room for an incorruptible, immortal person with a spiritual body? Is that what you see when you look in the mirror? Or is that a whole different type of existence? Am I supposed to believe that every sin...

Hi Greg, Well at least you're not saying my words are the 'whispers of Satan' anymore, so I appreciate that. :D We are both fully aware of your motivation - for degrading the standard meaning of man in any way possible When I asked you: "Could you please clearly define what you believe the standard ...

Hi Greg, As to the remainder of your questions - again, with respect... Ah yes, the telltale sign that what is to follow is not going to be respectful. :lol: Greg, I realize that you like to be "dramatic for affect", as you put it, but could you please cool it a little with the personal stuff? Somet...

Hi Greg, You - as all Arians I have ever met - read very simplistically and literally. Perception. Some might say the same could be said for your insistence on the words 'Jesus is a MAN.' Isn't that a different state of being If you want to read it in that sense - sure. I am not reading it in that s...

Hello Greg, You are reading too much into "a divine nature". We are always human. So even though they share in having a divine nature, they are in no way divine ? If Jesus can change bodies, wouldn't that be a change in ontology? No - it is an "extension". We are still human beings. It would really ...

Thanks for your follow up; we're getting somewhere. :D Is Jesus in any way divine now? No. So he's not like the Christians that are promised to "become partakers of the divine nature"? (2 Peter 1:4) Will those Christians still be human? If Jesus can change bodies, wouldn't that be a change in ontolo...

Hi Greg, This discussion is leading us to something: my own understanding of what you believe is truth. You're giving me precious little substance to work with, but I'm grateful for what you do give. :D Jesus was, is and ALWAYS will be a man. He is a man. He is now in a glorified body. Is Jesus in a...