TJ

With respect, I think our discussion has come to a close. I find no edification in it.

My wishes in your pursuit of the Creator in the only mediator between man and God - the man Christ Jesus - whom God has made Lord and Judge of all.

Best,

Greg Logan

You don't know Greek do you...

http://biblehub.com/text/1_timothy/2-5.htm εἷς γὰρ Θεός, εἷς καὶ μεσίτης Θεοῦ καὶ ἀνθρώπων, ἄνθρωπος Χριστὸς Ἰησοῦς, The present equative is implicit and grammatically necessary in the construction. Ask yourself - IS Jesus our mediator or not....? You also get it here 21For since death came through ...

You are confusing categories.

Man on earth = In the mirror

Man ascended = Glorified body.

Not sure why you do not get this very simple Biblical algorithm.

Back to reality - when you are ready to work with the sandard meaning of words - the simple clear texts of scriptures - without foolish controversies - I would love to plunge in./

Best

Greg

TJ If you would read the scripture - it speaks of the MAN Christ Jesus in the PRESENT tense - both in I Cor15 in his glorified body - AND in ITim2:5. There IS one mediator - the MAN Christ Jesus. My friend - when you mess with the Word of God - you will get cut to shreds - it is sharper than any two...

TJ That is simply a timing issue. Our focus is on men in their pre-glorified state - though one can ask about their glorified state but I have no interest in that since that is not my focus. The reality of course is that you don't believe a man is a man - because you believe a pre-incarnate divine b...

TJ Admittedly, I had forgotten about this - but as I briefly reviewed, I see that you were working hard to avoid the simple standard meaning of words, e.g. "man" means "man". It seemed apparent to me that the reason that you were engaged in this behavior (and justifying it as a sort of "Academic inq...

TJ

I much more prefer the statement that we affirm the man Christ Jesus (not manhood per se because of the obvious confusion) - rather than reject Christ's pre-existence. Our focus is affirmative - not negative.

TJ Sorry to miss following up on your post - I obviously omitted checking the Reply box. re: Meaning of "20 προεγνωσμένου μὲν πρὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου, φανερωθέντος δὲ ἐπ’ [a]ἐσχάτου τῶν χρόνων δι’ ὑμᾶς I understand this as prior to the Gen 1 creation. Does that make sense? Jesus of Nazareth was "forekn...